- Spellborn* έγραψε:
- Βασικα δεν ξερουμε ποιον να πιστεψουμε με ολες αυτες τις διαφορετικες αποψεις επι του θεματος....Ο καθενας αναιρει τα λεγομενα του αλλου...
- Spellborn* έγραψε:
Και βεβαια, ο Tuomas εμμεσως πλην σαφως την χαρακτηρισε "ψωνιο" μεσα απο το γραμμα του....Σε αυτο την δικαιολογω απολυτα την Tarja....Μια γυναικα με τετοια φωνη και τετοια επιτυχια που εκανε ηταν ευλογο να παρουν και τα μυαλα της αερα....
Λοιπόν ... θα βάλω δύο από τις απαντήσεις εδώ ... γιατί είναι πάρα πολλά όλα όσα γράφει, οπότε λογικό να μην τα διαβάσετε ... Για αυτά π.χ. που στηρίζει κυρίως το ότι ήταν ντίβα κτλ ... για τη συναυλία που λέει ότι ήθελε να πάει για βόλτες, ψώνια κτλ .... Για δείτε λίγο ακριβώς τα πράγματα ...
108) A huge issue in Tuomas' letter was that concert in Oslo. So when exactly have you been informed about that concert, so how many days/weeks in advance?
Katrin Duemke GermanyYou want exactitude. I'll give you exact information.
All the communication happened via email.
First time the concert was mentioned to me on 13.5.2005.
"we might be doing a 1500-capacity in Oslo on Sunday the 4th".
Few more details, even though not the complete information needed to confirm a concert, were sent more than two months after, on 27.7.2005.
Between 29.07.05 and 1.08.05 some emails were exchanged to gather more information in order to decide whether to do the concert or not to do it.
On that day, 1.08.2005 I mentioned that there was no interest
in playing in a small venue 2 days after a good show in Hell, Norway, for 15.000 people.
I also expressed in my email that "if it should be a concert for 6000 people, of course that makes a difference, but to play in Western Europe for 1500 people is not making much sense for a band like Nightwish. For opposite reasons, Tarja confirmed Greece, Slovenia, Slovakia, etc."
I should explain you now a lot about marketing, promotion and business in general for you to understand the reasons explained above. But is not the time to do it. This was my opinion until that moment and was still open to be discussed, and the most important is that until this point, I thought that the concert was still under planning. Same as with many other concerts, things were still under discussion. The fee for the concert was never disagreed from our side, what makes also clear that it was not a money issue from Tarja or my side to do or not to do the concert.
But it was that same day, 1.08.05 when I was informed that the reason to do the concert was to avoid expensive flight tickets back to Finland:
"The fact is that if we do not do that Oslo show, our extra expenses will be quite big, because we need to fly EVERYBODY back and pay their travels to their homes in Finland as well..."
Anyway the shocking truth came only one day after. On the 2.08.05 I sadly received the information that "The Rockefeller is sold out, but I will tell the guys to cancel..."
My exact reply was:
"How come is sold out when we are only now starting to discuss if we make it or not??"
And things continued to get worse when band manager Ewo replied:
"The things have been getting out of hand again, please try to remember that it is NOT you running this show...therefore Rockefeller was booked, because NOBODY thought that you guys could REFUSE doing this...!!! But you suprise us all the time !!!
Haha ! Well, we can tell promoters now that it is Tarja refusing to do these shows."
The words I chose at that moment for my reply, explains a bit more how things were.
"Ewo, things gets out of hands because you never asked. I (we) are definitely not running the show neither willing to do so.
As you know things have been clear and every time you have been asking we have been doing our best to find a solution. Some time didn't work out and many others have been fine and many shows have happened. Some of them, still not being 100% interesting for us. Once again, we are not changing anything. Just continuing the same line."
"Just speak the truth to the promoter: you booked a concert without even asking the artist. It was your fault, not Tarja's.
And let's leave it like this.
We have booked many shows until Hartwall that we want to go through as nicely as possible.
Once again, is nothing against you, but don't turn it the other way then..."
" I understand how you would like things to be, but I don't agree. The same way I am sure you understand what I am saying, but you don't agree. This is not making you a monster and me a saint, or the other way around. Just relax and take it easy."
After this, things cooled down until 12.08.05 when I was requested again if there was any chance to do the concert. Obviously nothing that was discussed before was even considered by the band management.
Tarja decided that it was better to move forward and to do the concert. All mess was manager's fault, not fans fault or neither the promoter's fault.
We needed to change our plans for our free time that included rehearsals for Tarja in Finland for her Christmas 2005 concerts.
As we have been told earlier that the reason of the concert was to avoid paying flights for band and crew, we needed to stay in Oslo.
Not in every hotel there is a possibility to rehearse and sing for Tarja, unless they have a room where she wouldn't be bothering the other hotel guests.
For the first time in the tour, we asked if it was possible to get an apartment with a piano or keyboard where Tarja could continue with her normal life.
We were invited to spend those days in a local promoter's friend house. He was very kind to us and we spent beautiful days in Oslo and Tarja was also able to rehearse as planned.
The strawberry of the cake came 2 days before the departure for this part of the tour. We received the schedule were it was informed that the band and crew were flying back to Finland after the concert in Oslo!!
Forgotten was the given explanation for us to do that concert: to stay in Oslo to avoid expenses.
It was obviously too late for us, even to book flights back to Finland, so we decided to imagine that everything was only a bad dream…
Finally, Tarja traveled to Oslo as it was agreed and the concert given was a nice one. Same as the previous ones in Oslo.
136) since I read Tuomas's letter ont the website, I have always wandered wether the things he mentioned about Tarja not being faithful and thankful to the fans and wanting to cancel shows in order to meet friends and stuff. Are alla those things real? Did she actually wanted to do those things?
Alex Aivaliotis, GreeceMany times recently, I have seen how partial true facts from the last years have been distorted deliberately, to show a bad intention or action from Tarja or my side.
I'll give you a real example of it that also answers your question:
In an email sent to the band manager I made a comment of what Tarja does in her free time. Check that I used the words "spare time".
"Tarja prefers to use the spare time to rehearse for her concerts and to rest."
Band manager, as usual, had a very personal way to understand things that later on he transmitted to Tuomas.
"If Tarja cannot do Oslo because she has to rehearse for her solo shows, I think that is the actual reason then...?"
I tried once again to explain, in case this was a real misunderstanding due to the written word and my bad English grammar. Check the text I sent him at that time.
"I said that she prefers to use the time for other things. Rest, go out with friends, to the cinema, to have business meetings and among that also rehearse for her concerts.
When there has been an activity during the year where Tarja is booked, I informed you in advance. This is not the case this time.
The actual reason is that in her free time she can do whatever she wants and when there is no show, is free time.
Until hours ago, there was no show planned (that we know) for that dates."
Now Alex, what happened was that we knew about the concert only after it was sold out. As it was free time without any concert for the band, Tarja planned to do things in her free time that she cannot do while touring: meet friends or relatives or rehearse for her solo concerts.
This was exactly one of those free days spot between tour days.
I also explained in my message that every time that Tarja was booked for some activities beside the band, I was informing the band management for them to know and to schedule the band activities accordingly. I also remark that it wasn't that case this time.
To explain it in other words, if Tarja should have needed to rehearse or perform her solo concerts, I would have informed about it long in advance.
Is in your hands to understand and decide if I was saying that Tarja wanted to cancel this show to meet friends and stuff as you have asked or if I was only saying that when Tarja has free time, she likes to go out with friends.
And let's not forget the most important thing: this concert did happen!
So Tarja privileged the fans that paid their tickets on top of her personal activities. By doing this, she also covered the band's management back from the mistake they made.
Unfortunately, this didn't happen only once...
- Spellborn* έγραψε:
- Παντως, τον καταλαβαινω τον Tuomas σε αυτα που γραφει στο γραμμα του......Αυτος εβλεπε τους Nightwish σαν το δικο του δημιουργημα που τον εκανε να νιωθει καλα γραφοντας μουσικη, παιζοντας live, κλπ.....ενω η Tarja εβλεπε τους NW σαν μια ευκαιρια να αναδειχθει και να κανει τον κοσμο να την αγαπησει, και φυσικα το εβλεπε και σαν επαγγελμα που της προσεφερε χρηματα....Λογικο...
Εννοω, οτι απο οτι καταλαβα, ο Tuomas εβλεπε το συγκροτημα περισσοτερο σαν "χομπυ" ενω η Tarja το εβλεπε σαν "επαγγελμα"...
Ναι, αλλά δν είναι πολύ ψωνίστικο αυτό από μέρους του; :
The guy that until then said in interviews that, without Tarja, that would be the end of Nightwish, changed his message into: Nightwish is my band, my music, my lyrics, the scenery of my soul.
Is up to you to check all interviews from the band before and after end of 2004 until today. Και ναι, η Tarja το έβλεπε πολύ πιο υπεύθυνα και ώριμα ... όχι μόνο για χαβαλέ, αλλά και ως επάγγελμα. Όχι για να απομυζήσει χρήματα, γιατί όπως πολύ σωστά υπογράμμισε σ' αυτή την περίπτωση θα έκανε τα guest που της ζητούσαν διάφορα συγκροτήματα, αλλά δίνοντας και την υπευθυνότητα που χρειάζεται ... Αν ήταν μόνο για την πλάκα τους, δε θα είχαν εταιρίες πίσω τους ...
- Spellborn* έγραψε:
- Τεσπα, οτι εγινε εγινε....Αλλα η Tarja ουτως η αλλως σκοπευε να φυγει απο το γκρουπ, οποτε και παλι το αποτελεσμα θα ηταν το ιδιο....Οι Nightwish θα επρεπε να αλλαξουν τραγουδιστρια....Καλυτερα που εγινε ετσι....Με το "great last concert"...Ηταν το αποκορυφωμα του μεγαλειου των Nightwish.....και η Tarja μας αφησε με τις καλυτερες εντυπωσεις...
Ακριβώς ... η Tarja σκόπευε να φύγει έτσι κι αλλιώς. Και τους είχε ενημερώσει 2.5 χρόνια νωρίτερα ... Το θέμα είναι ο τρόπος με τον οποίο τη διώξανε ... (Ξεφτίλα ολέ...
) ... Εγώ κρατάω τα λόγια της ...
"Their need to handle the issue in such a dirty way, is such a thing that someday I will forgive to the band, but I will never forget that ... no that I will never forget." - Spellborn* έγραψε:
- Υ.Γ. Δεν ξερω τι λετε εσεις, αλλα το κλαμα της Tarja στο παραπανω video ηταν εντελως ψευτικο και επιτιδευμενο....Σιγουρα το ειχε απο πριν προγραμματισει να ριξει και ενα κλαμα για να τη λυπηθει ο κοσμος....Μεγαλη βλακεια της κατα τη γνωμη μου...Εριξε το επιπεδο της...
Εμένα δε μου φάνηκε καθόλου ψεύτικο ... Αυτό που μου φάνηκε "κάπως" ήταν ο Tuomas στο Ever dream .. στο End of an era, τη συναυλία που δώσανε πριν της δώσουν το γράμμα ...
Στην παύση που κάνουν στην αρχή ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfFVfn_zsdo...........Ναι, έκανα πολύ καιρό για να ξανασυμπαθήσω τον Tuomas ...